Top brokers still earning a fair crust

By Larry Schlesinger | 02 Jul 2009

Despite a reduction in commissions, top performing brokers are still outperforming their counterparts in the banking sector when it comes to remuneration, latest salary figures suggest.

According to the 2009 Hays Salary Survey, the most a mobile lending manager in Sydney is likely to earn is $80,000 a year (with the average being $70,000) while a top senior residential lending manager earns a maximum of $120,000 (on average $110,000).

While underperforming brokers might earn considerably less than the average banking salary, those on top of their game stand to take home three of four times the pay, even factoring in a reduction in commission levels.

Peter White, national president of the FBAA, said while he believed the average annual salary for a broker would be between $50,000 to $60,0000, a high performing broker could be "earning anywhere upwards of $400,000 per annum".

Fujitsu Australia's financial services director, Martin North, said it was difficult to work out an average salary because the range was so large, but said his guess would be around $150,000 per annum, though some would earn much more and others (those that work part time) much less.

North, who hails from the UK, said his estimate for a UK-based broker salary would be £80,000 ($160,000) per year, even in the current depressed environment.

According to the Hays Survey, in the last financial year banking salaries remained static for the most part with many candidates changing roles for little or no increase.

Bank employees working in Adelaide and Melbourne were more likely than others to see salary increases - though these would have been limited - while salaries declined in Perth.

Not surprisingly, given the delays experienced by brokers in getting mortgage applications processed, the Hays survey reported that in the support area "demand is evident for temporary assignments in residential lending, in particular within mortgage processing, credit assessment and documentation".

"This is to be expected when permanent hiring restrictions remain, despite low interest rates, falling property prices and the first homebuyers grant," it said.

Personnel were also sought out to fill roles in risk and compliance as well as entry level positions in collections, customer service and telesales.

Commenting on this year's survey, Jane McNeill, senior regional director of Hays Banking, said: "While salaries in general stabilised, there are still some instances of salary pressure for roles where candidate demand remains high. Such roles generally incorporate revenue generation, cost reduction and risk management elements, which are viewed as crucial in today's business environment

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Commented by: Patrick at 02 Jul 2009 01:13 PM Report this comment
This comparison is irrelevant. Bank staff have the security of salary with paid holidays and super. Most brokers are self employed and carry all the business risks associated with that status. They typically work long hours, out of business hours and weekends to generate a living. Wake up Larry!
Commented by: Robert Krol at 02 Jul 2009 01:28 PM Report this comment
Another typically ill-informed set of comments by members of the "waste of time brigade" - analysts, and survey conductors.
Commented by: Martin Beanland at 02 Jul 2009 01:32 PM Report this comment
I think Peter White's $50,000 to $60,000 broker salary estimate is probably pretty accurate, which is terrible for how hard brokers work. Let's not get too excited about the ??5% of brokers who earn over $150,000. I think Martin North's comments as attributed are a quantum level incorrect; surely can't be an average of $150,000, no way. With changed commissions, the broker industry will struggle to be viable in 3 yrs when old loan books have run down to under 40% of how much they pay now. If you as a broker are not making over $100,000 pa now you will not be viable in 3 yrs time; start planning your new job, maybe working as a bank lending officer because they will need more by then when they have crushed the brokers !!.
Commented by: Robert Krol at 02 Jul 2009 01:37 PM Report this comment
Why are we constsntly made out to be members of the "jet-set" income level. Most brokers run their own business, commonly with 3 employees or less, and work very long hours, often 6 to 7 days per week, to make their income (as do most other small business people). Have any of these analysts and survey conductors ever been self-employed ??? I'd suggest not, which is why they think our turnover is our personal gross income. They forget that we have a myriad of business expenses to pay, from our turnover (like any other small business) before we get to take some income for ourselves.
Commented by: Ned Flanders at 02 Jul 2009 01:38 PM Report this comment
I couldn't agree more with the comments by "Remuneration". This is a total waste of good editorial space. The comparisons are pointless. Good brokers or those that are self employed will ALWAYS work FAR harder than PAYG staff and genuinely earn EVERY penny they get... Every morning you wake up knowing that if they don't get out of bed and create a sale... you do not get paid... Holiday pay... sick leave... superannuation etc... what on earth are these luxurious things?!?!?! Getting paid to go on holidays?!?! Might do the same myself... now... who is going to pay the bills/generate the income/sit on hold to the banks/service my customers when I'm gone?!?!?! I don't think so!!!
Commented by: James at 02 Jul 2009 01:42 PM Report this comment
Stop wasting time posting comments and complaining and get back to work... then you'll lift your income!
Commented by: Ben at 02 Jul 2009 01:49 PM Report this comment
articles like this are poor journalism. I'm sick of implications that brokers are overpaid. It's just not right. Let's see some balanced journalism that looks at the whole situation (including responsibility, service, work hours, super, holidays, etc) without sneaky implications that give the banks ammunition to cut commissions. This article is full of "weasel words" and short on facts. Bottom line is brokers work very hard and are paid (on average) poorly, with their earnings "at risk" on a monthly basis. Does average income include the large numbers that fail and lose money?. There's no safe buck here.
Commented by: Ian Jervis - Paradime Home Finance - NSW at 02 Jul 2009 01:59 PM Report this comment
I read in a broker newsletter (it might have even been this one) that the average monthly settlement amount for an Australian Mortgage broker was $750,000. If this is correct then the gross upfront commissions are closer to $50k plus trails. You would need to have a few years of consistent performance at this level to achieve a $150,000 gross income and then you need to deduct your expenses. On this basis a broker entering the industry who isn't settling at least double the average $750k should be looking for another line of work. It will be interesting to see how many brokers are left when the new regulations are in full swing come 1/1/10 and the costs and regulation of being involved in the industry force many part time brokers or those who were contemplating retiring soon anyway , out of the market.
Commented by: Ned Flanders at 02 Jul 2009 02:00 PM Report this comment
Dear "Get back to work"... please leave this discussion to adults... thank you.
Commented by: PC at 02 Jul 2009 02:00 PM Report this comment
A more accurate way of measuring would be on a $ per hour basis. As pointed out brokers work 6 sometimes 7 days a week, day and evenings.
Commented by: Greg Mortgage Broker at 02 Jul 2009 02:01 PM Report this comment
Maybe Martin North should return to England. From his past comments he hates Mortgage Brokers and is only trying to make a name for himself away from his motherland. I agree with Peter White on his estimates. Obviously Mr North does not realize that self employed brokers have alot of expenses to take out of commissions. And lets face it if we are sick we do not get paid. Bank Staff get paid even if they are sick and I bet they are not working late at night submitting applications to lenders who have shocking turnaround times
Commented by: Bart Simpson at 02 Jul 2009 02:07 PM Report this comment
Agree with Ned Flanders.....absolute dribble......factory workers earn more than the ave broker on a hour for hour comparison.
Commented by: Timbo2 at 02 Jul 2009 02:47 PM Report this comment
Sure Martin North's comments are rubbish. I'm sure he and Fujitsu Time Wasting Pty Ltd are spruikers for the banks. Every time he opens his mouth he just puts the boot into brokers. But would you want to work for a Bank? I've been there in the last 12 months and I can assure you that it's not fun. Crap pay, unrealistic expectations, pushy bosses and the fact that everybody hates you made me go back to full-time broking, as hard as it might be. As we say every morning, back to the salt mine. But at least it's my salt mine
Commented by: Mr Burns at 02 Jul 2009 02:53 PM Report this comment
I agree with Ned and Bart...why be a broker when you can earn more in a factory working less hours?
Commented by: BB at 02 Jul 2009 02:59 PM Report this comment
Yes the Bank Johnny is generally over paid for the work they do. If they were forced to do a brokers lot they would really struggle. There is no comparison with PAYG and SE remunerations. The sad part is the Johnny think they are underpaid. It is a fact if you are not neting 6 figures at present in your own business you should look for a job. The work involved in making it a success has been covered by many others in this discussion. If you are not making enough from your efforts then there are other options. It is not a matter of being paid more or less then PAYG bankers. It is a matter of making enough income to make you happy.
Commented by: Broker at 02 Jul 2009 03:10 PM Report this comment
Irrespective of what the average Broker earns, please do remember we have many of the normal business overheads such as rent, staff wages , superannuation, accountants fees, advertising, electricity, IT related costs, massive phone bills(largely due to all the banks levels of incompetance), stationary , postage and other fees and countless more to name here.

Then we pay the likes of MFAA , FBAA, COSL, PI Insurance , and soon ASIC which just rip additional profit away without adding any real value to our business.

No holiday pay, sick pay, annual leave, super, on call pretty much all the time and thanks to the commission cuts our wages have gone in REVERSE at 10 to 15 times CPI within the last year, yet our overheads and expenses remain largely the same.

If I didn't have a decent size trail book behind me (which the banks will get their filthy claws into over time), I would not survive in this industry, and I tend to settle 2-2.5 mil most months.

Anyone thinking of entering this industry as a newbie would have to have rocks in their heads, but that's exactly how the majors want, so now more than ever everyone must take their blinkers off and start supporting ANYONE OTHER THAN THE BIG 4, as we all know it's only going to get worse if you continue to feed them.
Commented by: Steve at 02 Jul 2009 03:47 PM Report this comment
Where are you from?
Commented by: apples and oranges at 02 Jul 2009 04:03 PM Report this comment
The above survey has nothing to do with brokers - why do I care what bank mobile lenders earn?
Commented by: Keith Bridges at 02 Jul 2009 04:14 PM Report this comment
It never ceases to amaze me how PAYG based desk bound executives can make projections on commissioned based brokers. What is often forgotten by these "smart" individuals is the associated mandatory costs to run a business, ie rent, telephones, support staff, licences fees, PI Cover, etc etc..my experience has found that most of these "smarter than the average bear" executives, have never made a sale in thier lives...need I say more and as such do not undertand the commitment, time and effort required to run a succesful business?
Commented by: Zoidberg at 02 Jul 2009 04:51 PM Report this comment
Having once been a Bank Johnny, I can tell from experience being a broker is MUCH harder, with far more pressure and yes, greater rewards. However this is a choice and as far as I can remember, we still live in a kind of free society. (Although it is becoming less free by the day!) The Banks cutting our commissions is disgraceful and smacks or sour grapes / poor business planning. The reason we get paid by the banks is because it costs less for them to originate loans through us, than their wasteful branches. They need to remember this next time they review commissions. Perhaps they can review their Lending Managers at the same time? Surely the credit assessors are over paid...by friggin squillians!
Commented by: Xerxes at 28 Jul 2009 05:39 PM Report this comment
Martin North P.O.Q.

$150,000 average broker salary. What planet do you come from? Why don't you tell us what your salary is?

You clearly are a bank stooge. Every comment you make about brokers oozes hostility.

A little bit of accounting 101 for you mate.

Business turn over does not equate to profit (salary payable to directors). Depending on the brokers' business model 30-80% of commissions will be spent on business costs (rent, staff, advertising, marketing, aggreagator fees, etc, etc, etc).

I can tell you for sure, any broker turning over more than $200K in commission / year has considerable expences (50% or more of gross comm's). Generally, the higher the gross turn over the higher the cost expenditure %.

Why does this uninformed man continue to get print space????

He must read all the comments we make about him. Clearly he hates us and this hatred simply feeds his antagonism, leading to more and more outlandish hostility towards us hard working brokers.

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