In the hot seat: Daniel O'Brien

In a burst of optimism and 'arrogance', Daniel O’Brien quit his banking job and launched PFS Financial Services in 2004. Since then, the broker has seen every possible loan scenario cross his desk – including an extramarital aff air that caused fi nancial carnage

In the hot seat: Daniel O'Brien

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Q: Tell us a bit about your first job.

A: I was a chef at KFC. I still remember my hourly rate: $4.54 per hour! That was in 1995, which was long before rules and laws around occupational health and safety had properly kicked in. It was a very tough and physically demanding job – I still have the scars to prove it.

Q: How long have you worked in finance?

A: For over 20 years. I started out as a bank teller in Parramatta in 1999, then moved to the city, to Martin Place, in 2002 as a branch manager. At the end of 2004, I quit the bank and started PFS as a mortgage broker. In hindsight, it was a pretty arrogant and dumb move at the time. I was 24 and had no idea what I was getting into. But without that dumb, youthful arrogance, I would have not made the best financial decision of my life!

Q: What is one thing you wish everyday borrowers knew about applying for a loan?

A: That it’s not easy at times to get that loan approved. Most people think that if they have a bit of equity, that automatically translates to a quick and easy loan approval, which is definitely not the case. It helps, but post royal commission everything is harder when it comes to loan approvals.

Q: Do you think anything positive has/will come out of theCOVID-19 pandemic?

A: I think a lot of people will see that business doesn’t have to be done the traditional way it has always been done. Clients can be interviewed via a video conference call. Loan documents don’t have to be printed, posted and executed in a broker’s o ce, as we can use E-DOCS.

Q: What is one aspect of the broking industry you would change if you could?

A: There should be no clawback. If I have churned a loan, fair enough. But if a client sells their house and repays their loan after six months because the husband is having an affair with the nanny, then I shouldn’t be penalised for that! You aren’t penalising branch lenders for that, so why do brokers get burned? This scenario actually happened, by the way – ain’t love grand?!

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